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garethporlest18 · Nov 23, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Because permament 95% invincibility + large amounts of damage OR total invincibility (A/E or A/Me with a self-heal) and weak damage OR just the best tank ever isn't OP.

Just FYI, A/E can remain invincible with one monk for an eternity. The only thing that can possibly harm him is Signet of Humility, but that's the death of all tanks.

The only thing that got nerfed was E/A. A/E's still work, they have only a bit less damage and energy than E/A.

I still see no reason not to give us JUST FACTION, which is a lot.

What does that have to do with the economy? Yes it's OPed, but it's not wrecking the economy. 55ing has generated more money than SF has. So if you're going to blame something, blame all the OPed farming methods, not just SF. Hell I think the M.O.X. quests generated more money than SF farming has.

But from what I see, ecto is 5.5k again, Pandas are still 6000 ecto and everything else seems to be gravy. Besides the fact that, barely anything is worth anything, but that's because of NF not SF farming.

Abedeus · Nov 23, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Retroactive Faction/Reputation: HEY LOOK I MISSED THE POINT BY NOT READING THE THREAD

Nobody, NOBODY is talking about Sunspear OR Lightbringer. We are talkinga about FACTIONS titles, both requiring 10mln points.

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Shadow Form: 55 Monk. Farming has been around for a long time. Whining about one while ignoring all the others is ignorant. If there is an area being heavily exploited by SF farming (like Chaos Plains was) then ANet can address that in other ways that does not screw over everyone who likes to farm with sins.

They already nerfed the 55 monks so they can't do UW or FoW on HM. On NM, anyone can do it. Even my paragon, if I wanted to waste time farming. There is no solo build that can do as many places as Shadow Form farmers. My Mesmer or Assassin can currently solo more places than Elementalist and Monk combined -.-

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Hell I think the M.O.X. quests generated more money than SF farming has.

"-Excuse me, sir, but are you high, or just ignorant?
- I can assure you, I'm not high."

South Park dialog changed a bit to not offend, but I think it fits here. You are telling me that about an hour for 10k one time generates more money then Assassins, Mesmers or Elementalist UW Speed Clears that can be repeated many times, and those latter can also get a chest with a guaranteed ecto and unique items?

If people really believe in this, then there is no God.

upier · Nov 23, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

What does that have to do with the economy? Yes it's OPed, but it's not wrecking the economy. 55ing has generated more money than SF has. So if you're going to blame something, blame all the OPed farming methods, not just SF. Hell I think the M.O.X. quests generated more money than SF farming has.

But from what I see, ecto is 5.5k again, Pandas are still 6000 ecto and everything else seems to be gravy. Besides the fact that, barely anything is worth anything, but that's because of NF not SF farming.

No, it's wrecking the game.
You know - it's like the tree and the forest. Who cares if the WHOLE forest in flames - as long as we have enough water to keep the economy tree safe!

If the guys think that the economy of the game is something that they should take into account at this moment in time - after all the MOXs, SFs, PvE skills, PSs, consumables, ... - then they are choosing to look into an interesting direction ...
I guess GW might be fun as an economics simulator - because it sure as hell won't be fun as a game.

garethporlest18 · Nov 23, 2008, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

"-Excuse me, sir, but are you high, or just ignorant?
- I can assure you, I'm not high."

South Park dialog changed a bit to not offend, but I think it fits here. You are telling me that about an hour for 10k one time generates more money then Assassins, Mesmers or Elementalist UW Speed Clears that can be repeated many times, and those latter can also get a chest with a guaranteed ecto and unique items?

If people really believe in this, then there is no God.

Are ecto below 4.5k for any longer than 30 minutes at the merchant any longer? I don't think so. When SF was a problem, they were. Those speed clears aren't effecting the economy in a way I can see, anymore so than anything else has. I don't see billions of Eternal Blades all over, I don't see a 3k ecto price and I think compasses are doing pretty well too.

Also yes, 10k * # amount of characters * #00k people in Guild Wars=more money than those speed clears make. Because I can assure you more people did MOX quests than they did speed clears and I know the majority doesn't do 10+ speed clears a day. There is a difference between 500,000 people doing a 10k quest # amount of times and less than 20,000 people doing a quest a few times a day for 20k or less.

60,000*20,000= 1.200,000,000. 10,000*500,000=5,000,000,000 that's just for 1 character each. I'm not saying the number is 500,000 that did the quest at least once, but it's a hell of a lot more than the number of people who do SC's. It wouldn't make logical sense to believe otherwise.

I agree that SF is overpowered, I don't agree that it's wrecking the economy. Like I said, certain weapons are still being sold for absurd amounts of money, and useless things like minipets still sell for more than a normal person can make over 3 years in GW. So what's the problem?

Erm I'll fix my math after I learn how to add. Woops I mean multiply, see that..I've been out of school too long. Okay there we go! Doesn't really make a good argument when I can't even multiply my made opinionated figures does it

Abedeus · Nov 23, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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500,000 people

WHAT WHAT WHAT? My Friends List screams "LIAR".

Ecto was below 4.5k because everyone and their parents made Assassin to perma and after people saw the buff, a lot of them came back to game to get some leetz. Then they left because they got a lot of money and don't want more, or they just got OMGBORED with it.

Oh, and we shouldn't use ectoes as indicators of economy. Although it is true - economy is about 5 times weaker than it was some time ago. When was the last time you saw Ecto for 20-30k? Okay, but more about your "coughmathcouth".

60k = where did you get that number. If someone gets 10 ectoes in an hour, it's 45k. If 15, it's 67.5k. If he does same run next day, it's around 130k, not going to count exactly how much. And after 4 days, he has 260k. Of course we are talking now about solo SF farming in chaos planes.

260000 x 20000 = 5.200.000.000. AND THEY CAN REPEAT IT.

Those... 500k people (JESUS CHRIST IT BURNS WHEN I LOOK AT IT) * 10k = 5.000.000.000. Only one time. Sure, they might do that again. But it's limited. I mean, most of the people don't have more than 7 pve chars on all continents.

More people did MOX quest because it's a nice "I have a free hour, so why not", not because it's better money-maker.

garethporlest18 · Nov 23, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

WHAT WHAT WHAT? My Friends List screams "LIAR".

Ecto was below 4.5k because everyone and their parents made Assassin to perma and after people saw the buff, a lot of them came back to game to get some leetz. Then they left because they got a lot of money and don't want more, or they just got OMGBORED with it.

Oh, and we shouldn't use ectoes as indicators of economy. Although it is true - economy is about 5 times weaker than it was some time ago. When was the last time you saw Ecto for 20-30k? Okay, but more about your "coughmathcouth".

60k = where did you get that number. If someone gets 10 ectoes in an hour, it's 45k. If 15, it's 67.5k. If he does same run next day, it's around 130k, not going to count exactly how much. And after 4 days, he has 260k. Of course we are talking now about solo SF farming in chaos planes.

260000 x 20000 = 5.200.000.000. AND THEY CAN REPEAT IT.

Those... 500k people (JESUS CHRIST IT BURNS WHEN I LOOK AT IT) * 10k = 5.000.000.000. Only one time. Sure, they might do that again. But it's limited. I mean, most of the people don't have more than 7 pve chars on all continents.

More people did MOX quest because it's a nice "I have a free hour, so why not", not because it's better money-maker.

I've never seen Ecto more than 18k. I also was not talking about when SF was affecting the economy in a big way, I was talking about now. I don't see it happening, at all, in the slightest. I'm fairly damn sure not very many people do more than 1 SC a day. But maybe there is a chance that SF now n days is generating more money than MOX, oh well, like I said it was an opinion, a guess mostly, but it seemed fairly logical.

Regardless SF isn't touching the economy at the moment, things are in good standing in rare materials, Eternal Blades still sell for high amounts of money. Have you seen Bone Dragon Staff prices? WHOO BOY and those you can't even get by way of SF. SF had nothing to do with the outrageous prices of minipets (That was mostly anet's fault), mods and most weapon skins lost value because of NF, not SF. SF had an effect on drops from Slavers, well I still see Voltaics selling for a semi-steep price. Onyx and Diamonds, which were down fairly low in price already.

All I'm saying is, if SF is doing anything, it's definitely not alone and definitely not the worst. Hell I think you can generate more money GvGing.

I also still don't see evidence of a dying economy because of SF. NF maybe, but not SF. I know why SF shouldn't be in the game, but I don't see why it's problematic towards the economy.

(Most of those people that farm SC and what not, do so to buy things, which puts money into the economy.)

DreamWind · Nov 23, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

There are a couple of problems that need to be pointed out here.

For one, nobody is singling out SF. I am talking about ALL farming, especially overpowered farming. Farming brings more money into the economy than anything else, period. If we are going to talk about this 60k gold ruining the economy, then we have to talk about farming REALLY ruining the economy. I severely doubt 60k would do anything in comparison.

Also, I have been thinking and I realized that the comparison between the MOX quests and the missions is stupid. The key difference is that most people probably did the MOX quests for fun and because they were new content, NOT because of the 10k gold reward at the end. Hell I didn't even know there was a 10k reward until I beat the thing. Anet could have easily offered some special item (not gold) to do those quests and people still would have done them.

The rewards for the missions on the other hand are now mostly being done BECAUSE OF THE NEW REWARDS. The rewards sparked the new interest. So if the MOX quests ruined the economy in any way, it is Anets fault for giving us gold. If the mission 60k ruins the economy in any way...well you see where I am going with this. 60k now or later is NOT going to matter. Its the fact that the 60k exists that is ruining the ecomony (which I still doubt is ruining anything).

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